If not a p38 or discovery2 ?

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My understanding of it is that ULEZ is London's Ultra Low Emissions Zone, it applies only to London. Other cities have their own versions but they're normally called Clean Air Zones (CAZ's) not ULEZ and you/we need to apply separately for exemptions to each city's scheme... With CAZ's normally much easier to get exemption from than ULEZ.

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Gilbert, I've ordered some head dowels and head bolts from Real Steel today. While on the phone to Charles at Real Steel I asked him what they use on head bolts that go into water channels, he said tey use (and sell) Loctite 572. You can get that stuff from a wide range of suppliers e.g. RS, Amazon, etc, I bought some from Real Steel.

[kbs]

My understanding of it is that ULEZ is London's Ultra Low Emissions Zone, it applies only to London. Other cities have their own versions but they're normally called Clean Air Zones (CAZ's) not ULEZ and you/we need to apply separately for exemptions to each city's scheme... With CAZ's normally much easier to get exemption from than ULEZ.

There is a Goverment ULEZ website that covers everywhere except London.

London is covered by the TFL ULEZ web site.

The websites looks very similar, I'd guess the TFL site will 'catchup' with the Gov website soon.

There appears to be no appeal process to TFL or Gov ULEZ websites. They just tell you to update your details with DVLA

[Gilbertd]

Just before I retired from the day job (I retired 2 weeks into lockdown) I was involved in a vehicle replacement project. As everyone knew I was the tame petrolhead, my part was to choose the actual vehicle. Bear in mind that these vehicles had to be able to go anywhere at any time and often at short notice. Bristol hadn't introduce their CAZ at the time but had published details and they were stricter than London. The proposal at the time was to ban diesel vehicles completely from the city centre area. I've just checked and petrol Euro 4 and higher are OK but as the BMW engined L322 is Euro 3, that isn't compliant for Bristol but is for London.

[kbs]

Hi Gilbert. That sounds completely correct. I can see bristol CAZ states euro4. But there are some eatlier Euros (disco2 4ltr and disco3 4.4 m62) that are free (currently) in Bristol.

I'm guessing they will slowly update the way they integrate to the dvla website and iron out any inconsistencies.

I still think the l322 was showing as free (Bristol) a few weeks back.

So my plans of buying one of the odd euro3 that is currently not charged for in Bristol - seems daft, they will probably soon charge for everything that is not Euro4.

So, a p38 is possible again, as is sorting my current one. Things are never simple....

Many thanks

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But a P38 is Euro 2? It sounds as though the Bristol database is in a similar state to the TfL one which is full of mistakes and contradictions. One example is the post 2000, 4.0 litre P38 showing on TfL as compliant yet the 4.6 isn't and they are both Euro 2. Another one I've found recently is a 2005 diesel Rover 75 owned by a friend, is Euro 3 but on a personal plate. Put the plate into the checker, it correctly identifies the vehicle and fuel type, yet says it is compliant. Put in the original registration number, it shows it as the same car but not compliant.

On another note, my boat engine is being sent back this week following the rebore and rebuild.....

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Good luck with the boat engine - sounds like fun.

When I checked bristol caz, p38 4 and 4.6 must pay.
Disco2 4ltr with sai doesn't pay.
Disco3 4.4 2003/4 doesn't pay.

But none are euro4, so I expect they will all have to pay in Bristol soon.

If they will all have to pay, I could still buy a p38 (the devil you 'know').

Unless I am missing a euro4 that is early enough to be under £400 VED, the P38 sounds like the right thing for me.

Thanks

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Are there any Disco 2s with SAI? I thought that was only fitted on US spec ones. It was on the P38 anyway so it met the California emissions requirements, I can't see them bothering to fit it to non-US cars. Compared with a P38 the Disco 2 feels really agricultural.

There's a lot to be said for the devil you know. I embarked on an extremely steep learning curve when I first got mine, now, there isn't much I haven't had to do on it. Whereas starting from scratch on another unknown quantity, especially as spares prices for the later cars are a lot more expensive, isn't something I'd want to do. Apart from anything else, when buying another, you know what to look for on a P38 (and what it is going to cost to put right any problems).

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I'm currently LPG converting an '06 L322 with n/a Jag engine... It's been a few years since I last converted one.

[kbs]

Hi Gilbertd, maybe the SAI disco2 I saw was imported? I didn't get that far with it (rotten chassis).
When I checked early disco2 against later disco2, only the late was caz friendly. So, I dangerously assumed later uk ones were sai and a higher euro standard. Another reason to stick with the comfy armchair that is the p38.

Hi lpgc, would the 2006 jag be £695 VED?

In the early 90s, I think I remember 1980 California motorbikes (imported to the uk) having "secondary air induction to the exhaust silencers" I think it was a workaround for lower emissions being measured at the silencer

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Hi lpgc, would the 2006 jag be £695 VED?

In the early 90s, I think I remember 1980 California motorbikes (imported to the uk) having "secondary air induction to the exhaust silencers" I think it was a workaround for lower emissions being measured at the silencer

It's a customer's car, I don't know what it's VED is... I entered it's reg in the .gov vehicle tax status checker facility which told me it's taxed but doesn't tell me how much the tax is.

All smog pumps are a workaround for lower emissions. If an engine runs rich it will pump HC's into the exhaust and there won't be much unburned air / oxygen in the exhaust so those HC's won't burn in the exhaust and will exit the tailpipe. Pump some air/oxygen into the exhaust and those HC's will burn (or some of them will) so there won't be as much HC's exiting the tailpipe. Not sure if can help with CO, can't help with CO2 or with NOx. Mostly superseded by fuel injected engines running correct mixture (so they don't pump much HC into the exhaust anyway) and catalytic converters which can reduce CO and NOx. But there will be some cat equipped vehicles that also have smog pumps... A cat can be damaged by too much HC so if the cat is positioned far enough back in the exhaust pumping air into the exhaust before the cat could help both cat life and emissions during times (cold engine, high load fuel enrichment) the engine does kick HC's into the exhaust.

Heh, I'm making slow progress with this L322's LPG conversion, been a long time since I converted a lot of them on the trot and I'd partly forgotten some aspects of the way I used to do them. I'm coming up with ways to do things that I could have done on autopilot a few years ago (pipe routing from the tank to the engine, fuel return, etc)! Now realise that I came up with the exact same way for routing the pipe that I'd have done years ago but I've done the fuel return a bit different (and better). I'm also coming up with a different way for relocating the suspension pump, this is the later and bigger pump, if it were the older smaller pump the internal assembly (with housing removed) would fit either under the spare wheel flap behind the tank or in the cubby hole as a complete unit but the later pump internal assembly (housing removed) won't fit in either of those locations. I've removed the housing but gone a lot further and split the internal assembly down to it's component part sections... removed all the components from the brackets - the pump, the twin cylinder air filter (which I thought was an air reservoir doh!) and the valve body, so now I can relocate those components separately from each other, use longer lengths of pneumatic pipe and lengthened wiring to reconnect them, should now be able to mount them all out of site in the wheel well and/or cubby hole.

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To check the Euro standard of a car, go to https://carfueldata.vehicle-certificati ... -cars.aspx, enter the details then when it gives you the data on that car (including tax band), click on the entry under Description (hover over it and it becomes an underlined link) and it gives you the full details. Just tried it on a September 2002 Disco 2 and it says Euro 2.

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Hi Gilbertd, that looks like a very powerfull website. Will definitely do some digging there.

I did find a quick vrm based ved site, not .gov, not sure how trusted it should be. Maybe its using data fron your suggested site?
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/cheap-road ... look-up-ii

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Lack of available late p38s mean I may buy an interim l322. But still looking for a p38

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Eventually! I have just sourced another p38. Sadly not lpg (yet).

I missed loads of problems with it (most minor) so lots to do before the lpg conversion.

Now I'm really tempted to keep my old gems (new one is thor) for spares/breaking. But this does mean keeping it in my garden (poor neighbours). The high winds a couple of weeks ago dropped my fence, this could be an omen as I can now drive straight in....

Note: my username has changed as I was unable to access the account. The sites new admins were very helpful and created the new account for me (many thanks to Edward)

Was kbs
Now kbs2

[Gilbertd]

They all have minor problems by now.....

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They all have minor problems by now.....

Indeed. But as I've now been driving them for a few years, I should have seen (most) of these issues.

I wasn't expecting months of trouble free motoring, but I'm still annoyed at myself for paying "all the money" and getting most of the issues

Live and (don't) learn

[Gilbertd]

What faults have you found so far (and how many others are lurking in the background waiting to bite you)? When I first bought mine to replace a Classic LSE that was dissolving nicely every time it rained, I kept the Classic as I didn't trust the P38 as far as I could throw it, now I just service it and use it. You may have seen in the pub that I've just hit 500k during a 3,000 mile round trip. In that time I opened the bonnet twice, once to check how much oil (1/3rd of a litre) and coolant I'd used (none) and the second time to bung another 5 litres of screenwash in.