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Cant understand why converters have to put on all this electronic stuff...give me manual switch over and solenoids anytime..its like new cars they have to complicate things so they can rip you off if anything goes wrong.
Lets face it £2k for a conversion is an absolute joke for a days work.

The solenoids I'm guessing are a safety thing. If you crash and the engine dies the LPG is automatically restricted to the tank rather than having to do it manually.

richard_ha wrote:The solenoids I'm guessing are a safety thing. If you crash and the engine dies the LPG is automatically restricted to the tank rather than having to do it manually.

no what i'm saying is you dont need electronic systems...my marini kit just had a vapouriser and solenoids and cost £500 fitted with the tank and all the other stuff

hmmmm , i,ve either miss read this thread, or we have a gen you ine expert amongst us

maestro wrote:Cant understand why converters have to put on all this electronic stuff...give me manual switch over and solenoids anytime..its like new cars they have to complicate things so they can rip you off if anything goes wrong.

Yes, it's exactly like new cars electronic systems:
* They have to meet ever-tightening emissions standards ; this isn't possible with carberutteurs. (LPG equivalent : not possible with mixers)
* Once the electronics are in place to meet the emissions issues, the greater flexibilty of programming and mapping allows economy and performance gains simply not possible with carberutteurs (LPG .. ditto)
* Once you've got rid of the carbs, other seemingly unrelated advances are also possible - stop/start, wasted spark ignition, variable length induction, variable valve timing, simple turbos, tank vapour control, stratified/leanburn combustion, blah blah.

If they'd only stuck with solid tyres we wouldn't get all these punctures either

If you want to buy a simple open-loop mixer based system they are still readily available (as they still suit many older cars). If you want to try to make that work on a new car, go right ahead ... and good luck with it.

emission standards eh...all for a global warming scam thought up by control freak masonic retards ...and i,m still driving in my old maestro while mr surburbia buys a new car every 3 years...wonder who has the biggest carbon foot print?

yeah and if these new systems are so good why are people selling so many on ebay? how many can match my 350k milage on a brc single point system

Oh okay, its all a plot, of course.

We have two customers with >350k on gas-fired Mercs, so what.

I don't see why we bothered with all this IC engine malarky anyhow. Horse and cart is all you need. Bag of oats and a bucket of water, low carbon, recycle the waste products etc.

Times change. You wrote the message on a forum presumably by a computer? What's wrong with hand writing a letter and posting it to a newspaper?

maestro wrote:yeah and if these new systems are so good why are people selling so many on ebay? how many can match my 350k milage on a brc single point system

If you are selling something, what better place to advertise than a medium with something like 50 million registered customers?

A friend has just sold a '96 Jaguar XJ6 with 321,000 miles on the clock. Running on one of these new fangled electronic LPG systems......

jayc wrote:Times change. You wrote the message on a forum presumably by a computer? What's wrong with hand writing a letter and posting it to a newspaper?

Nice one.

My dad bought a nearly new MG Maestro in 1985 and it wasn't a bad drivers car but the rust protection just wasn't there like all of the British Leyland cars. I'm surprised that yours hasn't gone back to base metal by now.

Whilst the V6 Mondeo we bought might have been a mixed bag, the one I broke served my dad and I very well for 5 years. Only problems were the solenoid getting blocked at 280k but that would have happened even on a 'normal' simple kit.

We put Zavoli Alisei N Matrix system onto it at 90,000 miles. It stayed on the car until 400,000 miles (where I broke the car due to it needing a diff/clutch change (although in hindsight, maybe I should have kept the car LOL). If that is not enough evidence for you and the so called 'pitfalls' of modern systems, I do not know what will convince you.

But then the world would be a boring place if we all went for the same thing.