New Zavoli ECU with adaptive setting

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New Zavoli ECU with adaptive setting

#1 Post by andyvee »

Zavoli have released a new Aisei ECU - extracts from press release:

Subject: NEW FUNCTIONS OF THE ALISEI N ECU
With this bulletin we would like to inform you that as of 02 March 2009 we will be distributing the new version of the
ALISEI ECU.
The new versions will be recognized by the following code on the back of the ECU
 “AEB2001NC” on the ECU 3-4 cylinders.
 “AEB2568D” on the ECU 5-6-8 cylinders.
The new ECU (electronic centralized Unit) are not compatible with the software previous to the version 5.0.5.1
currently in use, with the old firmware or the firmware currently in use (27.00 for the 4 cylinders.; or 28.00 for
the 5/6/8 cylinders), no longer in use because of incompatibility.
The new ECU works with two firmware that are
- version 5.6 for ECU 3 -4 cylinders.
- Version 3.0 for ECU 5-6-8 cylinders
It is possible to use the configurations used earlier.
PRINCIPLE CHARACTERISTICS
 ECU’s derived from the actual model with an additional capacity of OBD management communication on the line
K or line CAN:
 Same functions of the current ECU with disconnected OBD
 Compatible Pin-out with the current ECU. You need only to add the three wires for the OBD communication.
 Use of a new microprocessor with a higher performance than the one current ECU used but they need a new
firmware which is not compatible with the previous one.
 Total compatibility with the current configuration
 New PC software
FUNCTIONS OF THE ECU WITH CONNECTING WIRES OF THE OBD DRIVE AND COMPATIBLE
COMMUNICATION STANDARDS
 Possibility to see the petrol corrections on the interface of the PC
 Possibility to disconnect the adaptability function during the functioning by gas based on the processing of the
OBD parameters.
ADAPTABILITY
 Recovery of mechanical tolerance
 Recovery of repeatability
 Recovery of long term – medium stability
 Capacity of adequate but limited intervention
 Need for a correct mapping (disable adaptability when set up completed)
 Control actual gas (“fast”)
 Control historical gas (“slow”)
 Control of percentage of carburation map
 Medium double base (information obtained from the OBD connection)
 Adaptability to different quality of carburations
STANDARD OBD CURRENTLY COMPATIBLE AUTOMATIC
RECOGNITION TYPE OF CONNECTION.
 ISO9141 K-line pin 7 diagnosis (connection type 1 on the handheld tester)
 KWP-2000 Fast Init K-line pin 7 diagnosis (connection type 2 on the handheld tester)
 KWP-2000 Slow Init K-line pin 7 diagnosis (connection type 3 on the handheld tester)
 CAN standard-250 Kbps CAN-H pin 6, CAN-L pin 14 from the diagnosis drive (connection type 6)
 CAN extended-250 Kbps CAN-H pin 6, CAN-L pin 14 from the diagnosis drive (connection type 7)
 CAN standard-500 Kbps CAN-H pin 6, CAN-L pin 14 from the diagnosis drive (connection type 8)
 CAN extended-500 Kbps CAN-H pin 6, CAN-L pin 14 from the diagnosis drive (connection type 9)
SUITABILITY
 All the ECU that manage fast INTEGRATORS / slow “normal” (+/- 25%)
 All the ECU that manage fast INTEGRATORS / slow “right”
 In the coming developments on all units compatible with OBD
In next shipments the wires for the OBD connection will not be included with the general cabling. They will have to be
supplied separately.
POSITIONING OF THE CABLES
The cables must be inserted in the following PINS
4 CYLINDER ECU
CAN L Pin 6C from the BLACK connector (yellow-grey wires) Pin 14 on OBD connector
CAN H Pin 8A from the BLACK connector (yellow-green wires) Pin 6 on OBD connector
K-LINE Pin 8B from the GRAY connector (green wire) Pin 7 on OBD connector
8 CYLINDER ECU
CAN L Pin 51 from the ECU Gas connector (Yellow-grey wires) Pin 14 on OBD connector
CAN H Pin 54 from the ECU Gas connector (Yellow-green wires) Pin 6 on OBD connector
K-LINE Pin 52 from the ECU Gas connector (Green wire) Pin 7 on OBD connector
NB: When you use the OBD, it is extremely important that during the Tunig is not just checked the
"adaptativity" but should be checked only at the end of development.
CODES OF ADDITIONAL CABLES
For 4 cylinder ECU KF2001-OBD
For 5/6/8/ cylinder ECU KF2568-OBD
Grateful for your kind collaboration, we remain at your disposal for any further clarifications, and we take the
opportunity to send your our greetings.
Giuseppe Ruggiero
Marketing and Technical Training Director
&
System Homologation Manager
Pin n° 6 OBD Connector
Pin n° 7 OBD Connector
Pin n° 14 OBD Connector
Pin 8A Black Connector
Pin 6C Black Connector
Pin 8B Gray Connector

andyvee

#2 Post by andyvee »

Some of their translation leaves a lot to be desired!

As an installer Rossko have you any experience with an AEB based system that reads the long and short term fuel trims and adapts the map accordingly?

Seems like the way forward to me - turn off the adaptive function for an autocal, turn it back on and go for a spin - job done, fuelling should now be spot on!

Might have to see if I can get my hands on one of these new ECUs - I wonder if they will do a trade in upgrade program? (Doubt it somehow)

Andy

andyvee

#3 Post by andyvee »

True - I agree with your points.

The calibration has to be reasonably close for an adaptive system to work, or the two ECUs would be effectively fighting against each other.

I know what you mean an autocal and no more from installers. My installer seemed to put too much faith in the autocal and didn't really put much effort in to fine tuning - I have made the running so much smoother myself by observing fuel trims on the road and adjusting accordingly - kind of a manual adaptive process!

Seems like a step in the right direction though - should make for a more refined system overall.

Andy

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#4 Post by Charlie Renard »

Bigas have had this out for a few weeks (also AEB based ECU), we have tried it and it seems to work very well.

andyvee

#5 Post by andyvee »

Excellent - I might consider an upgrade.

Anyone know how much you can get a Zavoli 6cyl ECU for by itself without all the rest of the kit?

Andy

andyvee

#6 Post by andyvee »

Scary indeed at Jaymic - £405+VAT+Delivery!!!

Alternative UK distributor - £240+VAT+Delivery

Does anyone ever buy anything off of Jaymic - I seem to remember enquiring on matrix injector nozzles from them a year or so ago and they were twice the price of anyone else.

Andy

jaymicsystems

#7 Post by jaymicsystems »

Hi Andyvee you emailed us for a quote on the new Zavoli ECU and loom. The price you received was for not just an ecu, but an UPDATE KIT which includes new type ecu, new complete harness a switch and pressure sensor, also the software/firmware pack.
The price quoted was RETAIL and not trade, as we have not seen any company details from you.

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#8 Post by martin rowe »

Sounds like a bargain.

andyvee

#9 Post by andyvee »

jaymicsystems wrote:Hi Andyvee you emailed us for a quote on the new Zavoli ECU and loom. The price you received was for not just an ecu, but an UPDATE KIT which includes new type ecu, new complete harness a switch and pressure sensor, also the software/firmware pack.
The price quoted was RETAIL and not trade, as we have not seen any company details from you.
Thanks - I will clarify with the other supplier what their quote was for.

Still seems a significant difference in price though as I thought the wiring harnesses were about £12.50+VAT?

Andy

jrtonks

Zavoli Adaptive ECU

#10 Post by jrtonks »

Hi,

Did you go for the ECU? I'm curious to know what you make of it.

I'm having so many problems with my car's fuel trims I really think the adaptive ECU might be the way forward. The car has a Zavoli system already fitted so I'm thinking of getting the ECU and wiring harness and having a go at it myself. I believe there are only another 3 wires on top of the existing wiring config.

Not sure about the software though. The ordinary Zavoli software seems pretty easy to get hold of (if you don't mind the map-free version). Is the adaptive ECU software on the PD too?

Appreciated,

andyvee

#11 Post by andyvee »

Not got one yet - waiting for HKL to confirm pricing and availability and also exactly what you get from them as opposed to the full 'upgrade kit' from Jaymic.

If I get one I will post as soon as it is fitted.

Andy

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#12 Post by Rewmer »

Andy, Just stumbled across this post from back in March, just wondered if there was anymore info on the system, did you manage to get one and try it ?

jrtonks

#13 Post by jrtonks »

Rewmer wrote:Andy, Just stumbled across this post from back in March, just wondered if there was anymore info on the system, did you manage to get one and try it ?
I'm still interested too. I intend to have a go at fitting one of these ECUs, but need to redrill my manifold and do a better job of fitting the injectors first (fitted with 12" run by installer"

...and I need to finish the house.

Luke at HKL seems to be the person to talk to. He's been cheap and helpful for me in the past.

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