hydrocell conversion kit plus lpg

[tomas]

thinking to get hydrocell conversion kit on my peugeot,,, and try run lpg and hydrocell using water and try reduce fuel consumptions ,, wonna to ask does anyone have expierence with hydrocell conversions?

[rossko]

Experience here
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/al ... /4310717-2

[Kingsford G]

I`ve seen this guy selling cars with hho kits installed and there was once an lpg-hho car for sale too.He offers a 30day money back.
http://www.go-hho.co.uk

[rossko]

I see he's approved by NASA too ... you believe that?

[tomas]

approved by nasa , I think better than uk lpg ,,, well I see few videos on youtube looks like working....

[Kingsford G]

The hydrogen sell must have at least 1 bubler,ideally 2,a flame arrestor,a maf enhancer or efie(lambda adjaster) and a pwm to regulate Amperage.With the right set up it does work and better results are seen on a diesel cars.The thing is when you do a set up you have to make sure the hydrogen is cleaned from patassium before entering the inlet therefore you put 2 bublers or 1 bubler and a filter.Ready made kits don`t always have everything in 1 kit so you need to do your homework.

[Kingsford G]

Personally I`ve been looking into this for sometime now but as the money is a bit tight I`ve desided to go for a real deal fuel saver which is LPG system and if I have a spare cash then try one of these.I`d say they should work well with the right set up cos HHO will help to keep the temperature down a bit as LPG burns hotter than petrol from what I know.Nasa approved?Well,I`m a flying dish technician lol

[classicswede]

I'm not convinced that savings can be made on a petrol engine.

However someone I know has done teh conversion on a oil burner and the savings are nearly as good as adding LPG. That can be put down to the improved burn and the more complete use of the diesel rather than anything else.

I did do some reading at the time when I'd seen what he had done but was not conviced that it could pay off. There are forums on the subject

[Kingsford G]

The idea is to improve the combustion that leads to a more efficient fuel burn.Here is one of the forums if anyone interested
http://www.reduceyourfuelbill.com.au/forum/

[LPGC]

If it were possible to run a petrol engine on Hydrogen that has been split out of water by electricity provided by a generator driven by the engine itself, then that would mean totally free fuel for everyone and the end of the energy crisis - A ship could run forever taking in water, splitting off the hydrogen and burning it in the engine to power the ship (and make more hydrogen). This isn't possible, because making the hydrogen uses more power in terms of electricity than an engine can make burning that amount of hydrogen.

Since this isn't possible, then where do the pro hydrogen cell people think the line is drawn between the cell drawing more power from the engine than the burning of the hydrogen can generate and vice / versa. The truth is that in a petrol engine the making of the hydrogen always uses more power than the burning of the hydrogen can give. There are several scientific laws that would have to be broken for this not to be true.

So, if a lot of hydrogen doesn't work, why should a bit? I think the truth is that the bit doesn't make much difference at all, but the driver wants it to work so drives more economically. The case for diesels will be a bit different - There may be a sweat spot where just the right amount of electricity makes just the right amount of hydrogen to increase the burn efficiency (much like LPG additions on a diesel) to allow a slight increase in economy.

A company near me 'Doncaster fuel savers' used to phone me regularly asking me to install their systems on petrol vehicles. I said sure I'd install it, but wouldn't endorse it. One comment they made was 'not everything can be explained by the laws of physics' and cited the atomic bomb as one such example. I said the physics in atomic bombs is fairly well understood, but not the claims of hydrogen cell enthusiasts. They said it's all a big conspiracy by the oil companies. I said I don't see nuclear subs being replaced with fuel cell subs.

[Kingsford G]

You talking about in average 1.5L of HHO a minute so its not little really.If it improves the combustion it will save money but not all HHO cell will do it because they have to be designed to run cool and at a low amps and a proper set up.Don`t get me wrong,I`d still spend my money on an LPG kit 1st and only a spare cash on HHO KIT.Now watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytjzgmLKk_k

[Gilbertd]

Now watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytjzgmLKk_k

I just did, what is it supposed to prove? To me it seems you can make an electrically powered blowtorch but you need to use 2.4kW of electricity to do it. Much cheaper to just use carbon arc rods in an electric arc welder if you work out the running costs. As Simon has pointed out, you don't get anything for nothing because of inefficiencies. You can reduce them but never get rid of them completely. If you could, you could use an electric motor to drive a generator that drives the electric motor. It won't work. Whatever you do with HHO generation, the amount of electrical energy you need to generate the fuel, is always going to be greater than the energy you will get from the engine using the fuel.

[Kingsford G]

Anyone hear about Tesla`s discoveries?It about free energy.He run the 1st electromobil about 100 years ago

[Gilbertd]

Plenty, that's my job. Yes he did run an electric car, but he still had to generate the energy in the first place by converting one type of energy into another.

[volvobaggen]

Lol, I smell a troll in here.

The laws of thermodynamics were still valid last time I checked, and therefore HHO is a scam. Go back to the dark ages with you Kingsford G

[rossko]

1.5L of "HHO" contains about 0.05g hydrogen, so 1.5lpm would contain 0.0008g/sec
For comparison, an average car engine needs 0.2g/sec petrol or LPG just to idle.
The hydrogen would contribute about 0.5% of the fuel consumed at tickover, and obviously a negligible amount once driving.

To be fair, some of the proponents sidestep the laws of thermodynamics by claiming a magic, sorry catalytic, effect by "improved burn efficiency". No-one explains exactly how that works though.

[volvobaggen]

Hva is sad/funny about HHO-scammers is that they also don´t care about the concept of energy quality. You can´t open a fridge in the kitchen to make the room colder.

In the same way, you will lose high quality kinetic energy to heat when converting it to electrical energy of higher value in the alternator. Then you waste a lot of high quality electrical energy to heat in the process of making hydrogen gas in the bubble machine. Then you will lose nearly all the hydrogen gas energy to heat the not-so-efficient combustion engine and back to kinetic energy.

Sounds like a bad deal to me.

[Kingsford G]

Lol, I smell a troll in here.

The laws of thermodynamics were still valid last time I checked, and therefore HHO is a scam. Go back to the dark ages with you Kingsford G

I only stated my research results only.If I had a hand on experience I`d have given some figures therefore if you read I prefer an LPG as a money saver therefore what you smell is in your room.Doing a research on HHO forum I got to the point where you think its a nutters club at some point.The only thing I could agree is that oxygen improves combustion but them systems need an eye on etc. therefore I`m not likely to have one.

[volvobaggen]

I´m sorry Kingsford, but whenever I hear about promotion of HHO I see red.

You will get more value for your time reading the fairytale of "The Emperor's New Clothes" instead of doing research on HHO-forums.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen
Read the section about Fraud

[Kingsford G]

I´m sorry Kingsford, but whenever I hear about promotion of HHO I see red.

You will get more value for your time reading the fairytale of "The Emperor's New Clothes" instead of doing research on HHO-forums.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen
Read the section about Fraud

By no means I`m promoting it mate.I joined that forum and didn`t get my answers so did a bit of home work and thought I don`t have time for this and all my knowledge is not deep enough to say it works therefore my conclusion based purely on science.Also no one gave me a direction for a good ready made kit with a hand on feedback where is plenty of backed up info on LPG systems.I`d say if you have a spare money and time try it but me personally have other things to spend on.