So thats one LPG retailer out of how many selling at 48.9p per litre, promethian0?
The cheaper independent places on Merseyside have been racking up their prices to with in one penny of the main Petrol stations/ Supermarkets during the last 3 weeks. One Indie I had been using admitted he has a tank refill about every 6 weeks yet he's had two price increases in the last 3 weeks as he stays just behind the local Morrisons.
This is getting out of hand
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promethian0
DAVEK
I dont need to know how many because its the one I use..... why should I bother doing a national survey?????????
You seem to be doing that very inaccurately my friend.
This retailer has just filled his tank and fills it 3- 4 times a year.. so go figure!
PS I live in West Norfolk, drive a new type 05 Sportage and have saved nearly £5000 in fuel costs in less than 3 years which easily outweighs the £1800 conversion I had done when it was new.
I dont need to know how many because its the one I use..... why should I bother doing a national survey?????????
You seem to be doing that very inaccurately my friend.
This retailer has just filled his tank and fills it 3- 4 times a year.. so go figure!
PS I live in West Norfolk, drive a new type 05 Sportage and have saved nearly £5000 in fuel costs in less than 3 years which easily outweighs the £1800 conversion I had done when it was new.
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promethian0
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promethian0
What evidence have you that supports the LPG price explosion?
The only problem I see at this particular moment is certain outlets trying to overcharge for LPG to try and compete on petrol/deisel prices.... a policy thats doomed to failure as you can see by my reaction to overcharging.
By the way the indy retailer I use has more expensive petrol/deisel prices than the norm... so he's not on that particular bandwagon.
You as a customer can force issues by shopping around. If more people used indy's then they would be able to drop margins by increased sales...... and the business of stop off purchases would increase too.... think businessman!
The only problem I see at this particular moment is certain outlets trying to overcharge for LPG to try and compete on petrol/deisel prices.... a policy thats doomed to failure as you can see by my reaction to overcharging.
By the way the indy retailer I use has more expensive petrol/deisel prices than the norm... so he's not on that particular bandwagon.
You as a customer can force issues by shopping around. If more people used indy's then they would be able to drop margins by increased sales...... and the business of stop off purchases would increase too.... think businessman!
In my opinion, 36p per litre in June to 50.9 p lt in dec, counts as a price explosion. That 50.9 is the cheapest in my area but with the facility to only carry 64 usable litres , I am at the mercy of every rip off lpg retailer in the country. Having LPG should not be a trial , nor should it require endless planning before each and every journey but sadly, that is now the case for a lot of users.
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promethian0
Your experience of price increases between June and December are similar to mine. 43.9 to 54.9 Morrisons... but then as I said I pay 48.9 elsewhere and have told Morrisons the reason why everytime I call there... so have lots of others!!
I still don't see any evidence of a price explosion in the new year in anything you have said.
I still don't see any evidence of a price explosion in the new year in anything you have said.
I wonder if there is an alternative reason behind Morrisons whopping increases. Could they be trying to drive away LPG users so that they can justify removal of the LPG pumps ?
They rely on turning over thousands of gallons of pet and derv as quick as they can to make a few bucks. They can't be making LPG pay based on number of users compared to pet / derv vehicles.
They rely on turning over thousands of gallons of pet and derv as quick as they can to make a few bucks. They can't be making LPG pay based on number of users compared to pet / derv vehicles.
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promethian0
I'm not sure, depends where you live.
In this part of the country LPG sales are high due to a number of reasons.
1. more 4x4's as people like me generally need them to get around!!!
2. Great influx of Poles, Lithuanians, Russians Latvians etc who all seem to drive LPG converted cars.
So the pumps here tend to have queues and LPG use is high.
In this part of the country LPG sales are high due to a number of reasons.
1. more 4x4's as people like me generally need them to get around!!!
2. Great influx of Poles, Lithuanians, Russians Latvians etc who all seem to drive LPG converted cars.
So the pumps here tend to have queues and LPG use is high.
I would say my local patch is Merseyside and LPG use there seems to be on the downward spiral. There is little competition now between LPG retailers yet petrol varies from .99p to £1.06.
A convertor I know reckons he has gone from one a week to one every two months in the last 12 months and feels that side of the business is over. Shame because his knowledge is really good and so is his problem detecting and rectifying.
A convertor I know reckons he has gone from one a week to one every two months in the last 12 months and feels that side of the business is over. Shame because his knowledge is really good and so is his problem detecting and rectifying.
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its not yourself you should be thinking about ...if petrol/diesel prices stayed the same ie 105p, then LPG prices would have to rise to at least 85p a litre for me to be losing out.
As I said.. I get it for 48.9 and am still smiling.... even the odd expensive 55p a litre wouldn't bother me.
others are charged £2000 up-wards for conversion......at 85p a litre how long will pay-back, take to come ..
its very easy for others to make a quick decision ......and say ...sod-that ....
I'm not converting ..............they are already saying it now in droves.
its the others/newcomers and potential converties that keep the LPG industry going ...without them ........it will slowly dwindle to a full stop in less than two years ...as people change cars .
when the customer base dries up ..there will be NO LPG filling stations left .......probably before it reaches the 85p fresh-hold.
I think the only thing keeping it alive now is the congestion charge.
get rid of that ............and the conversion industry would be dead in less than 6 months.
so instead of bickering here .......phone the people in charge up .....and complain strongly to them .
mentioning the fuel consumption difference
the lack of encouragement ..in this country ....compaired top other country's.
and the fact that its going under soon unless they cap the prices ...charged by the oilers.
names addresses of those in charge is in post further down.
all the best....markj
all the best.mark
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promethian0
I'm sorry but I'm not out to save the LPG industry, just stating facts as they are.
Emailing anyone will have no effect as they will see you as self serving and bleating.
The 85p a litre I mentioned seems a long long way off, and if it was the case petrol/derv would be 135+ p a litre at a guess.
The LPG phenomenon started on the continent not here, and UK policies will have little effect on its viability. Business will succeed despite the greed of a few.
Seems converters are overcharging, they may the ones killing the golden goose too. I have spoken to a few of the East Europeans on conversion costs and they pay no more than £4-500 for conversion!!!!
We no longer have steam railways or horse and carts because people move on.
Of course there are enthusiasts.... but I'm a realist.
I made the decision to convert to LPG and it has served me well, but I shall go with the flow, not fight the tide.
Emailing anyone will have no effect as they will see you as self serving and bleating.
The 85p a litre I mentioned seems a long long way off, and if it was the case petrol/derv would be 135+ p a litre at a guess.
The LPG phenomenon started on the continent not here, and UK policies will have little effect on its viability. Business will succeed despite the greed of a few.
Seems converters are overcharging, they may the ones killing the golden goose too. I have spoken to a few of the East Europeans on conversion costs and they pay no more than £4-500 for conversion!!!!
We no longer have steam railways or horse and carts because people move on.
Of course there are enthusiasts.... but I'm a realist.
I made the decision to convert to LPG and it has served me well, but I shall go with the flow, not fight the tide.
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norwich fan
It is each ot thier own, but surley the only converters around london are
being helped by the congestion charging.As stated by other people in earlier posts around this forum different people have differnt overheads
hence if somebody is offering a conversion far cheaper than somebody
else (BUYER BEWARE).Yes conversions can be expensive and they dont suit eveyone but work well for others so it is always best to keep informed
on all equipment/installers/ gas prices etc etc.
being helped by the congestion charging.As stated by other people in earlier posts around this forum different people have differnt overheads
hence if somebody is offering a conversion far cheaper than somebody
else (BUYER BEWARE).Yes conversions can be expensive and they dont suit eveyone but work well for others so it is always best to keep informed
on all equipment/installers/ gas prices etc etc.
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jtaw45
I've just purchased another vehicle after running a volvo s80 on lpg,and before that a volvo 740 for a total of 6 years.
My new vehicle of choice was a volvo xc90 (yes,i do like my volvo's),they generally come in two guises, a 2.9 petrol engine, or a 2.4 diesel engine.Now i know from first hand experience that the petrol model will do a maximum combined figure of 18mpg on lpg (it's the same engine as i have in my s80,i haven't even allowed for the additional weight of the xc90).The equivalent diesel engined model will do a combined figure of 30mpg.Can anyone tell me why i should stick with lpg,cos i sure as hell can't see a good reason?
My new vehicle of choice was a volvo xc90 (yes,i do like my volvo's),they generally come in two guises, a 2.9 petrol engine, or a 2.4 diesel engine.Now i know from first hand experience that the petrol model will do a maximum combined figure of 18mpg on lpg (it's the same engine as i have in my s80,i haven't even allowed for the additional weight of the xc90).The equivalent diesel engined model will do a combined figure of 30mpg.Can anyone tell me why i should stick with lpg,cos i sure as hell can't see a good reason?
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jtaw45
No it doesn't, Not what i want it for anyway.I'll be doing a lot of towing with it,i want the ability to seat 7 people when the need arises and when travelling around the country i want to be able to fill up without having to spend an hour at home beforehand working out where i can get lpg.But most of all, it would cost me more to convert and run on lpg than the diesel equivalent,It's a no brainer for all but the most blinkered or stubborn.rossko wrote:Probably the same reason they sell ANY petrol cars at all. It goes better!
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jtaw45
I'm posting on here because it's an open forum debating how viable it is to run a car on lpg.You obviously take exception to anyone who's views are different to yours, As it appears you earn a living from lpg instalations that probably explains you shouting down anyone who doesn't think lpg is as an attractive alternative as it used to be.I am far from anti lpg but in my opinion it's just not attractive anymore, The biggest factor is the advancement in diesel technology,cleaner engines,quieter engines,more economical engines than ever and still improving.The example i used which was relevant for me will also be the same for most vehicles i think.Don't ake it personally.
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jtaw45
No offence taken.
As for ecu failures on vauxhalls, thats why i buy volvo's
Seriously though,i don't think you'll find ecu's on new diesel cars a problem, i certainly haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary but perhaps i'm not looking in the right places.One thing to bear in mind is that on some of these forums things look very bleak,the main reason being that most of the people posting on them are only doing so because they're having problems,while the silent majority continue to clock up the miles hassle free.
As for ecu failures on vauxhalls, thats why i buy volvo's
Seriously though,i don't think you'll find ecu's on new diesel cars a problem, i certainly haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary but perhaps i'm not looking in the right places.One thing to bear in mind is that on some of these forums things look very bleak,the main reason being that most of the people posting on them are only doing so because they're having problems,while the silent majority continue to clock up the miles hassle free.
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norwich fan
Dont get me started on dirty diesel! It causes asthma ,many forms of cancer shall i go on.Yes i will ,.why wont they let diesels in hong kong ?or Beiging? why is the emmision test on euro 4 different for petrol to diesel (its because diesel cant reach the same emmision levels) not many if any diesels will make euro5.Smog is caused by diesel.
Look into tests done by other people /groups(not fuel companys or car manufacturers)they have vested interests
Look into tests done by other people /groups(not fuel companys or car manufacturers)they have vested interests