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Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:09 pm
by robbie1003
LPGC wrote:Sniff GreenAdd blindfolded and you'd think it was diesel... I wonder if someone is getting rich adding colouring to diesel
I use different lube systems on different vehicles - The ESGI lube kit is cheap, has a massive reservoir and comes with a litre of fluid (others come with less fluid). But it's too big to fit in a V6 Jag engine bay. Greenadd system fits in a V6 Jag engine bay but I'm fitting a Flashlube on the one I'm converting at the moment. The Suzuki next week will likely have an ESGI lube. The supercharged RangeRover the week after next will have an electronic Flashlube.
I've wondered about the effectiveness of different lubricants. Flashlube has the brand name, JLM reckon they've done as much research and their product is just as good. What do we all think? It's hard to compare lubes because the time frames are too long and there are many variables (driving style etc) to consider.
Depending where you buy Flashlube kits there's about a 100% difference in price! I don't stock much fluid - I used to sell it at cost price but I now point customers to the internet for refills.
Simon
mmmm, the diesel smell observation is interesting, its good to know somebody has had products to compare. any body have a theory wot could possibly be in flash lube and similar products? suppose the only other comparasons is to the typical petrol addatives used when lead was removed from petrol and for classic car enthusiasts, redex etc. im still in the mindset that a good two stroke oil would do similar as the more expensive valve saveing fluids at a fraction of the cost.
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 9:26 am
by Gilbertd
robbie1003 wrote:any body have a theory wot could possibly be in flash lube and similar products? suppose the only other comparasons is to the typical petrol addatives used when lead was removed from petrol and for classic car enthusiasts, redex etc. im still in the mindset that a good two stroke oil would do similar as the more expensive valve saveing fluids at a fraction of the cost.
That is precisely what Flashlube is, it was originally developed to allow older engines that needed leaded petrol to lubricate the valve seats to be run on unleaded. I very much doubt Two stroke oil would be any good, or at least no better than any other random oil, as it is formulated to do a totally different job.
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 9:44 am
by Tubbs
You have to say that both the ESGI and flashlube have TUV approval. So it must have gone through the process. Or ESGI are just lying and putting the TUV logo on the box.
I've not come across green add. So can't comment. Does JLM carry TUV ? They must have very similar compositions chemically. Maybe they did flashlube tests, and it was cheaper for ESGI,JLM because the delivery system was the same as long as the fluid make up was the same, the results would be the same. Don't really know. Just a theory after all.
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 10:22 am
by classicswede
Personaly for cars that are know to have bad problems such as many of the Ford range, Honda CRV and Range Rover supercharged etc I would only consider using flashlube as we know over many years that the product does work.
When unleaded was first removed from the pumps most of the lead replacement additives were tested and only a few actually passed the test! All the fuel catalyst ones failed the test. The testing was done by the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs FBHVC - a shame flashlube was not tested at the time as it should have passed.
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 1:28 pm
by Tubbs
I think they had very similar issues in Australia. Lots of older cars designed to run leaded. Having read through all the flashlube TUV approval documentation it left me in no doubt that flashlube actually works. Infact I'm surprised that ford don't fit a bloody great resovouir of it in the inner wing somewhere straight out the factory to get them over 100k before they burn the valves out on petrol.
This is what surprised me with ESGI tbh. A pretty small company in the scheme of things. So did they have to put the fluid through all that testing and documentation. Or was it just a 'chemical composition' lab test ?
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 8:49 pm
by classicswede
Has it genuinely been tested?
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 9:02 pm
by Tubbs
... That is the question. We know flashlube has been properly and rigoursly tested !
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 8:50 pm
by robbie1003
Tubbs wrote:You have to say that both the ESGI and flashlube have TUV approval. So it must have gone through the process. Or ESGI are just lying and putting the TUV logo on the box.
I've not come across green add. So can't comment. Does JLM carry TUV ? They must have very similar compositions chemically. Maybe they did flashlube tests, and it was cheaper for ESGI,JLM because the delivery system was the same as long as the fluid make up was the same, the results would be the same. Don't really know. Just a theory after all.
do we actually know wot these test are? my chemical analasis of sniffing the 1 litre of valve saver today concludes its diesel, even the all seeing and all knowing otherhalf has done a "sniff this and tell me wot it is " test and came to same conclusion without any prompting from me. ok this tongue in cheek test doesnt exactly tell us wots in the stuff but going down the lines of dripping a small amount of diesel into the combustion chamber when useing lpg would give the valves a easyer time.
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 9:22 pm
by Tubbs
If you have ever stripped an engine with a valve saver fitted you will see it does more than diesel. Coats all the valves with this very fine film of oil. I think it was Gilbert that steered me in the direction of the flashlube TUV report. Pretty extensive. The poor car involved must have had the head taken off more times than a dippy egg stuck in Groundhog Day
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 12:40 pm
by mat_fenwick
It's possible that diesel is a carrier for whatever 'magic dust' they put in...or could be a nice money earner for Flashlube...anyone run a petrol car for thousands of miles with a small percentage of diesel dribbled into the inlet manifold? Who want to be the first to try?
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 1:03 pm
by Tinleytech
Flashlube is fully synthetic (will not harm 'cats' etc.) and the only non-hazardous valvesaver - the bottles now carry the green symbol.
Diesel it is not!
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:31 am
by robbie1003
Any product containing petrolium distilates will be hazardous, can't see it being very green as it may contain benzine, toluine, sulphur, butyle and all is burnt causeing some form of hazard. I'm on the search for the hazard and handleing information for valve saver which should indicate its contents to some degree. There are a few valve saver type fluids on the market when you look, quite a bit for plant vehicles etc.
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:45 am
by rossko
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:02 pm
by Gilbertd
robbie1003 wrote:Any product containing petrolium distilates will be hazardous, can't see it being very green as it may contain benzine, toluine, sulphur, butyle
But, as Tinley Tech state, it isn't, it's fully synthetic so doesn't contain any petroleum distillates.
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:51 pm
by robbie1003
My investigations have found flash lube containes issoctanol, white spirit, potassium carboxylate and kerosine.
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:19 pm
by classicswede
potassium carboxylate will be the key ingredient for preventing vsr
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:03 pm
by robbie1003
And my question would be howmuch this would cost per litre with a bit of white spirit thrown in as a carryer?
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:07 pm
by classicswede
have alook on google
this is what I can up with as a first result
http://www.scbt.com/datasheet-219696-r- ... -salt.html
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:04 pm
by gasbo
well my maestro has never had flashlube and its done 370,000 miles so work that one out....also my transit did but couldnt be bothered to keep spending £16 a litre on it so been using it without...so far so good...done 30,000 miles without flashlube now and runs lovely
Re: are there any flashlube equivalent/replacements that you
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:06 pm
by gasbo
so the moral of the story is flashlube is just another australian rip off that idiots fall for