LPG Forum


All times are UTC



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:54 pm 
New member

Joined: Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:23 pm
Posts: 6
Location: Madrid. Spain
Hi everyone,

It is a pleasure be a member of this forum and I hope you support me

I am the owner of a Saab 95 2.3 TS Aero yr 2008 and 260 HP(191 KW)

I have been checking in Spain, with different companies, to convert my car to LPG.

Most of the companies have comment that it is not possible convert this model of Saab due to it exceed the maximum power by cylinder to be validated in my country.

This morning I was talking with Autogas Madrid, and they proposed me to use two vaporizers and Bosch injectors, to ensure the equal functioning to gasoline. This proposal is 200€ more expensive than de previous one, and they are going to present and validate in Ministerio de Industria.

The first proposal was single vaporizer, Vinkle injectors, Elpigaz ECU. The main difference is when you push throttle suddenly, the car can switch from LPG to Gasoline.

My doubt is which proposal is better taking into account that Saab is not an easy car, at least in Spain.

Any support is welcome

Regards

_________________
Saab 95 2.3 TS Aero (year 2008-260 HP)


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:43 pm 
Advanced Member

Joined: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:00 am
Posts: 7880
Images: 0
Location: Peterborough
You might get more replies if you posted in the General Discussion forum rather than here, but I'm sure most people will see it. The Saab takes to LPG very well and 260 hp on a 4 cylinder engine isn't a great ask as long as the components selected are sufficiently rated. Dual vaporiser installs are not uncommon or some have used something like the Bigas dual vaporiser which is basically two joined together. Never heard of LPG injectors made by Bosch though.

Obviously I know nothing about the regulations in Spain so don't know what they require and why they think it is too powerful. It may be that, as in Italy, most conversions are done on small engined cars that are already economical. They think that if you can afford to buy a powerful car you can afford the fuel to run it. In the UK it is different, most conversions are done on bigger engined cars to make running them viable. To buy a big, powerful car can cost no more than a small one, but it uses too much fuel for many people so they will convert to LPG to keep running costs down.

_________________
'96 Saab 900XS, AEB Leo, sold
'93 Range Rover 4.2 LSE, Lovato LovEco, sold
'98 Ex-Police Range Rover 4.0, Singlepoint AEB Leo, my daily motor
'97 Range Rover 4.0SE, eGas multipoint, a project.....

Proud to be a member of the YCHJCYA2PDTHFH club.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:51 pm 
New member

Joined: Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:23 pm
Posts: 6
Location: Madrid. Spain
Gilbertd wrote:
You might get more replies if you posted in the General Discussion forum rather than here, but I'm sure most people will see it. The Saab takes to LPG very well and 260 hp on a 4 cylinder engine isn't a great ask as long as the components selected are sufficiently rated. Dual vaporiser installs are not uncommon or some have used something like the Bigas dual vaporiser which is basically two joined together. Never heard of LPG injectors made by Bosch though.

Obviously I know nothing about the regulations in Spain so don't know what they require and why they think it is too powerful. It may be that, as in Italy, most conversions are done on small engined cars that are already economical. They think that if you can afford to buy a powerful car you can afford the fuel to run it. In the UK it is different, most conversions are done on bigger engined cars to make running them viable. To buy a big, powerful car can cost no more than a small one, but it uses too much fuel for many people so they will convert to LPG to keep running costs down.


Thanks for your advice. I shall try to post it in General Discussion Forum

_________________
Saab 95 2.3 TS Aero (year 2008-260 HP)


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:02 pm 
Installer

Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:56 pm
Posts: 2581
Location: North Wales
That model of the Saab is no easy conversion to get right, they are a pain to setup and sensative to plugs.

before doing the conversion you will need to replace the spark plugs with single electrode basic plugs. Make sure the car runs perfectly on the replacment plugs before starting the conversion.

Elpigaz is AEB so the electronics are ok.

The reducer needs to be one with a high flow and pressure so the OMVL HP with minor mods would work or the Antartic reducer could be used. Injector wise the Europegas A+ injectors work well.

Positioning of teh nozzles in the manifold is critical and as short a pipe run as possible should be used.

_________________
http://www.classicswede.com/
http://www.classicswede.co.uk/LPG/cat17 ... 10800.aspx

LPG installer Anglesey North Wales

DIY LPG Kits

07824887160


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:56 pm 
New member

Joined: Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:23 pm
Posts: 6
Location: Madrid. Spain
classicswede wrote:
That model of the Saab is no easy conversion to get right, they are a pain to setup and sensative to plugs.

before doing the conversion you will need to replace the spark plugs with single electrode basic plugs. Make sure the car runs perfectly on the replacment plugs before starting the conversion.

Elpigaz is AEB so the electronics are ok.

The reducer needs to be one with a high flow and pressure so the OMVL HP with minor mods would work or the Antartic reducer could be used. Injector wise the Europegas A+ injectors work well.

Positioning of teh nozzles in the manifold is critical and as short a pipe run as possible should be used.


Thanks a lot for your comments

_________________
Saab 95 2.3 TS Aero (year 2008-260 HP)


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:07 pm 
New member

Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:29 pm
Posts: 126
Location: Gourock
Do you have enough LPG stations to make it work for you? I understood that Spain did not have many filling stations.

Good luck


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:19 pm 
New member

Joined: Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:23 pm
Posts: 6
Location: Madrid. Spain
j33myb wrote:
Do you have enough LPG stations to make it work for you? I understood that Spain did not have many filling stations.

Good luck


I think we have enough LPG stations. They are not at UK level, but they are increasing year by year.
I live in Madrid and city and province we have around 100 stations.

Regards

_________________
Saab 95 2.3 TS Aero (year 2008-260 HP)


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:36 pm 
New member

Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:29 pm
Posts: 126
Location: Gourock
Good to know. Off to Macedonia at the end of the month in the Corrado, i thin I Spain will happen next year or year after.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] 

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group