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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:58 am 
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Hi, guys. Not been around much for a couple of years as I took my Rolls off the road back then to do some minor electrical work on her and never managed to do much more than start.

Now I've added a US/Canada built Dodge Ram Dayvan, with the 3.9 V6 fitted, to the fleet and the petrol mpg is shocking. As such I'm seriously considering an LPG conversion. It will need external tanks as I use it as a campervan with a drive away awning when actually camping. Although I tow a small trailer, it is almost filled with my mobility scooter and the storage space in the Dodge is taken up with the rest of my camping gear. Looking at the underside I think a matched pair of 'torpedo' tanks fitted just inboard of the sills might be my best option rather than replace the huge (over 130 litres) petrol tank with a big gas and small petrol set, but I'll have to leave that part of the conversion setup to the professionals.

I know of a few fitters in the area, but the only Sheffield based one I trust has the highest prices, which are a bit difficult to meet these days. I've made some tentative approaches to a few others, but I'm not fully convinced that they know what they're talking about - especially the unregistered 'jag/sports car specialist' in Rotherham. As best as I recall from long ago there were some positive and negative recommendations about a couple of fitters in Doncaster, the names of which I don't recall.

As you should have guessed by now, I'm looking for a good fitter in the South Yorkshire area that won't require a couple of limbs as a deposit and then my first born to pay the balance. Cheap is not an option, but inexpensive is vital!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:34 pm 
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Sir Henry,

I wholeheartedly recommend myself! :lol:

I'm in South Elmsall, 7 miles North of Doncaster.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:49 pm 
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You wouldn't have much trade if you didn't recommend yourself!

"Good morning, Sir. Gas conversion is it? I wouldn't come to me if I were you. I'm rubbish at it!"

I've looked at your website already and I'm waiting for customer recommendations. Nothing personal, of course. As stated I was given a couple of glowing reports about one fitter in the Doncaster area and warnings about another. That was a couple of years ago and those responses are buried, deep, under pages of newer threads. Even so, some places improve and some go downhill due to existing employees leaving and/or new ones arriving.

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There are a couple of well dodgy installers in that area, but Simon isn't one of them. As he seems to be pretty local to you, then he's the only one I think anyone on here would recommend.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:04 pm 
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Thanks Gilbert. :)

Sir Henry, A guy I know in a different trade, a paint sprayer that I know is really good at his job, once said to me 'You know when you are good at a job don't you... I know you are good at your job and I know I am good at my job'. If people are realistic and have some 'normal' level of self criticism, if they are not arrogant, then I believe that is true. During very busy periods where customers have wanted a very simple to convert vehicle converting at absolute minimum cost I have steered them to some of the local 'done in a day' installers that we all moan about on this forum for not being very skilled and/or thorough.. In such cases I considered the vehicle was a very simple job, so the done in a day lot couldn't go far wrong, considered that I would have had to charge a few quid more than those guys to convert the same vehicle (even though I would have done a better job) and that the customer wanted the cheapest job possible and gave hand on heart advice. But I would never steer customers to 2 of the LPG installers that are in the Doncaster area, because I know that those installers do a similar kind of job to the done in a day guys (from a technical perspective at least) but charge a lot more for their services (or mis-service choose how you look at it)! Not just when installing vehicles, but 2 in Doncaster are also seemingly abysmal when it comes to repairs, though they really know how to charge, usually for none-effective results and/or just an incorrect diagnosis. Where they haven't fitted their usual preferred system (Prins or BRC) I have also often been involved in putting systems right that they have attempted to install but failed miserably.

I have a great reputation (among those in the know / those who network and discuss cars etc) for getting excellent results for LPG conversion of the most technically challenging vehicles and for this type of vehicle customers come from far ends of the UK for me to fit or repair their system; for such vehicles, other than myself, I could only confidently steer customers to a very small number of installers in the UK. This has only happened a few times, the last time it happened was with a guy who wanted his new Honda Civic Type R converting (a bit demanding), owner didn't like the fact I worked from home (I have a massive yard, secluded and set back from the road, massive tripple garage etc, all of which I thought I'd explained but the owner decided not to go ahead). This situation was unusual in that the customer hadn't come by recommendation, nearly all my work does, so perhaps I have become accustomed to customers accepting my setup because they are confident of results, but I sometimes leave removed LPG bits in the yard so this place isn't always as tidy as Aston Martin's premises! But no hard feelings to the nearly cinversion customer! I gave him his deposit back, I pulled some repair work forwards (people from all over the UK who had had no luck trying to get their vehicles repaired elsewhere)and recommended Andy Evans on The Wirral as the next closest guy I dare recommend to convert the Type R... When I say dare, not really in this case, I have faith in Andy's skills and workmanship. I would not do anyone the dis-service of recommending an LPG pro I thought not really up to the task. I don't even know Andy but have seen his work, have read some of his technical thoughts and I know that he knows what he is talking about... The furthest some installers should go is to stick to changing brake pads, not me or Andy.

I doubt you will find many reviews of me on review sites etc... that would be because I don't personally enter reviews about myself - It seems review sites are notorious for such dodgy entries (I always expected it and the BBC recently did a radio report on this subject), I personally pay little attention to review sites, all very biased, I find obviously so in the case of LPG installers... many installers that I know are @!## have good reviews, especially on their own websites. There are no reviews on my website - I used to teach IT, English, Maths and mechanics, have written commercial software for the likes of Powergen, but I'm not the best at website design and don't know how to setup a 'review page' on my website... Damned if I'll pay someone to setup a review page on my website for me though!

There are plenty of people who I expect would be more than happy to provide you with a review of my services, without asking them (not something I generally do). I wouldn't feel too cheeky giving you their phone numbers, even if I chose random customers, because I know they usually think I have done them a very good turn... But then again you wouldn't know that I wasn't steering you to friends, family, or maybe to a minority of customers that have been happy with my work, indeed I would suspect such if anyone jumped to give me references. In 12 years I have only ever had a couple of customers that seemed less than 100% happy and there are mitigating circumstances behind both of them... I will explain one of these situations at the bottom of this post but think I have mentioned this situation previously on the forum - I am very honest about all my experiences, good and bad.

Central Garage and B&H Automotive (now going under a different name - they should have changed their name with any sense) might have been included in the list of installers around Doncaster you've heard about besides myself - You might search this forum and maybe find some info about all 3 of us... I have a dim view of both of the others, mostly due to hearing so many negative stories from customers who have had bad (and costly) experiences at these places.

If any of my employees leave then there would be nobody here (I am a one man band)! But I have been converting vehicles for 12 years now, am well known, have a great reputation, enjoy fixing LPG systems and having pride in this work and have no plans to stop. Even if I ever did stop to do something else I would still repair LPG systems 'on the side' but LPG is, and has been for a long time, the only thing I do (I do general servicing and repairs for previous LPG customers that don't want to trust anyone else). I do a roaring trade repairing LPG systems where multiple other installers have already tried and failed. I wouldn't be hard to find if the above were untrue - my workshop is attached to the house, where I convert vehicles is at the side of where I live!

I put pride into my work and am happy to be judged on any of it. I get some work from this forum and would invite you to post comments about anything I do, and/or I could post pics of any work I do on your vehicle on this forum if you wished, and then you could comment on the same thread... The only type of customer comment I would feel pleased about myself with is 'system seems very well fitted, vehicle runs on LPG just as well as on petrol, very happy with Simon'... but you could write on this forum what you wished.

Central Garage and B&H like to fit Prins and BRC, that's probably because they can download calibration files for these systems so don't have to calibrate systems themselves - they're terrible at calibrating systems or installing anything Prins or BRC. At last count there was only one guy (CG owner) who knows anything about LPG at said company, so as big as they are they are a one man band like me when it comes to LPG. According to customers, B&H have had people have head gaskets done / even replace their engine (pointing out head gasket failure / cracked blocks etc) at cost of at least £2500, when the only issue was actually a reducer problem, identified by me, which I have sorted for less than £100 after the owner has paid for head gasket johs / rebuilt engines that made no difference.

RE one of my comments above - one of my customers that wasn't happy... This was in fact about a Dodge Day Van that I converted! I have converted many Dodge Day Vans to LPG very successfully, most notably one for a guy who represented GB in the Olympic Games in martial arts (guy from Bridlington would you believe), but his marrtial arts skills don't mean I'd do him a better service than anyone else! Anyway, regards the unhappy customer.... Before I'd seen the vehicle, I'd asked the owner to describe the engine and inlet manifold but he described the newer type manifold rather than the actual type manifold of the vehicle he'd bought, he also got the year of the van wrong, turns out he hadn't even picked the van up before collecting it and bringing it directly to me for conversion. Anyway, he brought the van in for conversion and I had all parts ready to install on the vehicle, except when it arrived the van was an older model than described, so instead of the multipoint sequential system I expected to be fitting I found it required a single point closed loop system to be fitted. The van also had a bad water leak from the water pump and it's fan belt was in a very bad way, it was breaking up, the customer acknowledged such faults even over the phone on the way to me. I had to get an 'old skool' single point closed loop system in stock and had the full system mostly fitted when the fan belt finally snapped. When the fan belt snapped it made a hole through the top hose of the radiator. This was on a Friday night and I phoned the customer to tell him what had happened.. 'OK no problem' he says, 'I can get parts to fix it over the weekend through people I know in this van club I'm in, I could pick the van up from you, fit the new water pump and fan belt over the weekend and then bring it back to you for finishing off on Monday'. 'Problem is, as already discussed, I'll be away until Tuesday now though' I said. 'Well that's OK I'll trailor it away, fix those bits (which I knew were on their way out) and bring it back on Tuesday then if that's OK' he said. He fitted the fan belt and water pump, but then instead of bringing it back to me on Tuesday for finishing off, he took it to Central Garage on Monday thinking he didn't mind paying them to finish the job off... But they told him none of the parts I had fitted would have been up to the job - that the tank I had fitted was apparently an old tank and the R90 reducer I had fitted was apparently not up to the job for the 4.6L engine... All incorrect info from Central Garage but this customer believed them over me, and what would be (if only he'd asked) over the rest of the trade, to his own cost and my cost... The parts I had fitted and my workmanship (not yet fully completed due to inability to calibrate the system at heavy throttle with the water leak) were all entirely suited to the vehicle... as any knowledgeable person on this forum would tell you. Central Garage had this guy pay them the full cost of their more expensive charges to convert the van using inferior Prins single point components with only maybe the same quality of workmanship but cost the owner his deposit and myself the profit from the job. A court case would have ensued, with myself getting advice from a former magistrate customer (who has since had several vehicles converted by myself and who I know would be happy to give a reference), but it didn't come to that. Just left the customer being ripped off and myself out of pocket.

Simon

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:05 pm 
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My above post appeared twice, so i edited down to this.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:54 am 
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LPGC: No worries, Sport. Why would the other place say an R90 isn't up to a 4.6 litre engine? It works well on my 6.75 litre Rolls Royce engine! One day I hope to change the twin point open loop system with a closed loop one. I have the parts and the knowhow, but not so much physical strength or stamina as I once had. That's part of the reason I'm not really considering a DIY conversion. Maybe I might let you have crack at that if I let you do the Dodge and you do a good inexpensive job. As for 'done in a day', I've known for some time that it's not really on the cards to have a good job done in that kind of time frame. Fortunately I have a South Yorkshire travel pass and can use it on buses and the railways - although perhaps not all the way to South Elmsall. I'll have to check up on that. I'm in no serious rush at the moment, so I'll get back to you as & when ...

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Sir Henry, the other place made the comments about the system including the R90 to gain the work for themselves, but I wouldn't be too surprised it they believe at least some of their own rubbish advice too. I've lost count of the number of customers I've had with simple to sort issues that have been there before coming to me, where they were told 'You need a complete new system mate, we'll fit you a Prins system for £2300 but will have to charge you £80 today for our diagnostics'. I usually end up diagnosing and repairing some minor problem!

Incidentally I recently tuned an R90 system on my mates 6.75 Roller, it was previously cutting out at junctions etc on gas but runs great now. He has the Roller and a Bentley Mulsanne (with a Prins LPG system), runs a company called Mr Motorhome in Widnes, I think he's selling one of the cars through his business, both are in very good nick.

You could bring the Dodge around to discuss the options etc.

Simon.

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Bring it round? Hmm ... Why didn't I think of that? Oh! I did! Gimme time and so might it be. Or is that 'make it so'?

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If it helps, I can confirm that Simon did an excellent job of converting my Subaru Outback 3.0, and the level of support since the conversion has been superb (not faults, just questions). I'd certainly recommend at least maybe popping up the A1 and letting him take a look at the vehicle and discuss options.

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The Dodge goes in for the MOT tomorrow and I have a fair bit stuff to move with it (and the trailer) for my niece from her old house to the new one. Also my Rover is due for the test ASAP. I don't know when I'll be free until all that's done.

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Cheers Rich, I'd forgotten you came on the forum where we met!

If and when you're ready Sir Henry.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:25 am 
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I would recommend Simon of LPGC to anyone not even in his local area hes worth travelling to.
I took him my V6 Camaro last week for a service and tune up. perfect service and all round nice fella.

There is a place about 10 minutes from me that is an LPG specialist but when i called them they were not much help and just pretty much said a service was going to cost me a fortune before they even considered looking at the settings of it.

So drove about an hour from my home to Simon, i got perfect service at a reasonable price with explanations thrown in for free lol
Plus the car runs better than it ever has.


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Cheers Luke, was nice to meet you the other day. Did you say someone from your area told you about me or was it someone on the forum?

Pleased we got your Camaro with BRC FLY system running better during the service. As explained, it wasn't the filter change that made the difference, was running lean and holding back at high load due to a calibration issue that I corrected, goes better now eh!

For a minute I had you mixed up with the owner of a Mustang, Jeep SRT8 and Chrysler 300C SRT8. A petrolhead and great bloke, I converted both his SRT8s to LPG and sorted his Mustang's LPG system (which he'd owned before we met but which had never run properly on LPG since he bought it or had it converted elsewhere, I don't remember which case he said). Saw him with his Mustang again the other day, since the recent respray it had started intermittently running poorly on either fuel, I found the problem mostly due to the MAF sensor with a disconnected vac pipe not helping. Then he told me he'd changed the MAF around the time of the respray.. He's started calling me 'the guru' :lol: and says he'd rather bring vehicles to me for engine diagnostics than go anywhere else. After I'd fixed his Mustang (not the last time I saw him) he got me to make him up an 'LPG Service Voucher' for his brother's birthday present.

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It was someone on here....infact a few posts have you mentioned in them and always good reports


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Having met LPGC a few days ago I can tentatively recommend him as he seems to be willing to go 'the extra mile' to work out how to achieve the system you require. My Dodge Day Van is a bugger to fit a decent size gas tank to as I need all the interior space for camping. After much crawling around under it taking many measurements he has offered a pair of torpedo tanks with a total (water) volume of 110 litres. That's 10% more than I've got in the Rolls which gets through fuel almost as fast as it can be pumped into the tank!

The price seems fair, but having had a few unforeseen expenses lately, I'm a bit financially embarrassed for the moment. Only time will tell when/if I can take him up on his offer.

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hope you get it sorted soon though sir henry, running on gas is very worth while isnt it.
i said years ago after running diesel since 2004 that i would never run a petrol car again due to the sheer cost which ment no american cars for me (very sad) not without going down the diesel conversion route which is didnt want to! now knowing a lot of the horror stories about gas are just that (stories) i would even consider a smaller uk size car running on gas as a viable car too someday.
like i say thought hope your sorted soon though when you're a little less " financially embarrassed" lol...gotta remember that 1 to use! lol


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It's not as if I can play the poverty card is it? With 3 cars (one a Rolls Royce), 2 mopeds and a modern scooter to my name ... :?

The term 'cash poor' could also be applied :lol:

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haha i can use the term cash poor i think too. most of the time im around in a merc (horrible work car..worst thing i have ever driven)
so people see a brand new merc, a jeep cherokee, peugeot 306 and my camaro convertible outside so people think iv got plenty of money lol. how little they know!

what kind of roller you got anyway?


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She's a 1976 Silver Shadow 1. That's the final year before the Shadow 2 series was introduced. Due to the way that Crewe tended to quietly upgrade the cars as time passed the only real differences between a '76 and '77 are a few dashboard changes, a "Silver Shadow 2" badge on the boot and a change from a steering box to rack & pinion steering.

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