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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:45 am 
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Hi All,

I'm considering purchase of a 2004 Subaru Legacy Spec B (3.0 H6 240bhp) and would want to install LPG so I'm wondering what this would cost and where I should go. Ideally I would like to observe the installation so I understand exactly how it all works for the future. I'm based in Sheffield but willing to travel if necessary. Any suggestions?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:32 am 
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Go see Tubbs. He'll even let you get your hands dirty as long as you make him a cup of tea at regular intervals......

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:05 am 
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Definitely speak to Tubbs - he's the one installer I've seen who knows Subaru flat-6 engines well, and can show evidence that the way he does it does not have any valve seat recession issues for some time. He's who I'll be taking my Gen IV Outback to when I find the right one :)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:15 pm 
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New tea boy ! Yay !


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:52 pm 
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Seriously - We've probably all done most of the various Subaru flat 4 / flat 6 / turbos / none turbos and they're not really difficult to do. I sell DIY kits for these models and talk people through the install process...

rich r wrote:
he's the one installer I've seen who knows Subaru flat-6 engines well, and can show evidence that the way he does it does not have any valve seat recession issues for some time. He's who I'll be taking my Gen IV Outback to when I find the right one :)

Rich - R (another new member recommending installers eh) - Seems you must have overlooked me during your attempts to see installers working on Subaru flat engines, I've done plenty and just maybe would have impressed you! Have you removed the heads from a fair few LPG converted flat 6 Subaru engines, including some converted by Tubbs and some converted by other installers, and compared the heads for VSR then mate? :lol: To prevent VSR we're talking lube systems, optionally a bit of petrol addition, obviously fuel mixture at high loads, and if we're going to get really technical about it injection timing etc... I.e. the normal everyday VSR considerations that apply to every Japanese / Ford etc vehicle with soft valves and/or hard hitting valves..

137 miles and 2h :lol: ours 30mins frpm Sheff to Tubbs in Tenbury Wells OR 35 miles and half an hour to me at South Elmsall (just the other side of Donny)...

An offer to help eh Ben? Yes please, great! Others have done the same in the past.

You know when a potential customer comes on the forum and says 'I'm in the West Midllands, who can you recommend'... and I say 'Tubbs'... Well you know when a customer says 'I'm in Yorkshire'.... (hint to grabbing buggars and those that recommend their mates) :roll:

Just converted a Porsche Boxster (hey that had a flat 6 engine too!), before that it was another Vauxhall Monaro. I don't usually take pics of my work unless a customer asks. This customer asked, I will be posting pics on the forum as soon as I've downloaded them from my phone...

See, no mention of UKLPG, insurance or databases on this thread at all - Aww damn now I've done it! :lol:

Simon :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:07 pm 
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Sorry simon ! Yes of course. You are far closer than me. I seemed to have missed Sheffield as a reference point for some reason.
UKLPGA ' UKLPGA ' UKLPGA SAY IT THREE TIMES AND MIKE CHAPMAN SENDS YOU A BOTTLE OF WINE ON YOUR BIRTHDAY. AND A TELEGRAM FROM THE QUEEN WHEN YOU REGISTER 100 CONVERSIONS ON THE DATABASE !!


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:16 pm 
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Nice comeback Tubbs mate :lol:

Do you reckon I'd be just about capable of doing a decent job on the Subaru then, or what? :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:03 pm 
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Reckon yeh !


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:19 pm 
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You are on Simon's door step so would make perfect sense to go to him.

For reference I'm happy for customers to see what is going on with the conversion and have had the odd one hand around while it is been done. If you are mechanically capable and can make tea then hanging around is no problem, if not you would be a hindrance.

On the H6 don't forget your Flashlube

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:47 pm 
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LPGC wrote:
Do you reckon I'd be just about capable of doing a decent job on the Subaru then, or what? :wink:

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Reckon yeh !
Ahh thanks mate, I thought you and most others would! :wink:

classicswede wrote:
You are on Simon's door step so would make perfect sense to go to him.

My thoughts too mate :) Incidentally, remember me starting out in this trade oooh many years ago - You might remember that the first vehicle I ever converted was a Subaru flat 4, you sold me the gear and gave the tech support. Cheers Dai. :lol:

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Go see Tubbs. He'll even let you get your hands dirty as long as you make him a cup of tea at regular intervals......
I know you're on friendly terms with Tubbs and that I am probably on the wrong side of you (maybe because I speak my mind on certain topics, particularly UKLPG) but I didn't realise you'd seen even one of Tubbs / mine / many installers work mate? Clever bloke but you're not in the trade so probably don't see many installs, so maybe not really in a position to recommend people other than by favour. Ben could get his hands as dirty as he likes here - The quickest way, I find, is to change a vehicle's oil then dip your hands in the old oil but messing with engines in general does nearly as well given enough time. I don't sup tea but don't mind others doing so while I smoke a fag whilst drinking water or diet coke ;) If Ben can't fry fish n chips there's always my mates chippy around the corner and trains straight through to Sheffield.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:25 am 
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LPGC wrote:
Gilbertd wrote:
Go see Tubbs. He'll even let you get your hands dirty as long as you make him a cup of tea at regular intervals......
I know you're on friendly terms with Tubbs and that I am probably on the wrong side of you (maybe because I speak my mind on certain topics, particularly UKLPG) but I didn't realise you'd seen even one of Tubbs / mine / many installers work mate? Clever bloke but you're not in the trade so probably don't see many installs, so maybe not really in a position to recommend people other than by favour. Ben could get his hands as dirty as he likes here - The quickest way, I find, is to change a vehicle's oil then dip your hands in the old oil but messing with engines in general does nearly as well given enough time. I don't sup tea but don't mind others doing so while I smoke a fag whilst drinking water or diet coke ;) If Ben can't fry fish n chips there's always my mates chippy around the corner and trains straight through to Sheffield.
Sorry Simon it wasn't that at all, it was down to me being slightly geographically challenged when it comes to 'oop norf'. My ex was from Rotherham and as Sheffield is only a bit further west of there, I tend to think of that as north Midlands. You're in Yorkshire which to my East Midlanders mind is that uncharted wasteland further on, getting dangerously close to Scotland, so I was thinking that Toby would have been closer. I also know that he has had customers stay for the duration so probably wouldn't have a problem with someone hanging around and getting stuck in.

The only comment I would have to make is that you will need a banner on your workshop wall saying "DO NOT MENTION UKLPG" or, if you talk like you write, they'd have to put up with a 2 hour tirade on what a waste of space they are.......

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Gilbertd wrote:
Sorry Simon it wasn't that at all

I've always had the impression you were above that kind of thing, so I believe you. Sorry for the accusation mate. :oops:

Gilbertd wrote:
The only comment I would have to make is that you will need a banner on your workshop wall saying "DO NOT MENTION UKLPG" or, if you talk like you write, they'd have to put up with a 2 hour tirade on what a waste of space they are.......


I don't mind UKLPG being mentioned, just don't like it being hyped! If an installer says 'I offer UKLPG registrations for customer convenience but I know it's all bolx really' then that would probably be a brief chat. But if they argue 'I am among the cream of installers because I am a UKLPG member' then we could have a 2 hour chat with the UKLPG member more likely to go into a tirade than me. :wink:

:lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:59 am 
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Many apologies Simon, I had indeed forgotten that you've mentioned doing Subaru H6s on here. And yes, you're a lot nearer than he is.

Tubbs has got lots of pretty pictures of his conversions on his website (well, Facebook page) though :)

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:31 am 
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No probs,
I've never been one for taking pics, might be a good idea!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:33 pm 
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Just been asked on phone to post these pics of a Subaru H6 (in Subaru Outback) I converted in May. I should start taking more pics..

Injector pipes are all under 1inch long, LPG injectors are beside petrol injectors, actually underneath petrol injector covers.

80+ Irene tank was a tight fit but boot floor remains flat, no pics here of tank end or switch, just the engine.

6 Cylinder KME Nevo ECU, KME Gold reducer, MJ singular injectors, Flashlube. Interior changeover switch auto-dims when it's dark so LED's are not blinding, all programmable to vehicle owner's requirements etc of course. Components fitted are well on top of the job and would be equally well suited to an H6 with turbos etc. Owner reports indistinguishable running on LPG compared to running on petrol, exactly same engine smoothness even with quick changeover to LPG on cold mornings... Yes, I should think so too!

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That looks a bit familiar ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:20 am 
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rich r wrote:
That looks a bit familiar ;)
:lol: Thought it might Rich!

The moderator of a Honda forum recommended me to someone on there who recently changed his Honda for a 3L Subaru, I've done some work for the moderator and he's recommended me to others whom I've gone on to convert various Honda's for. I dunno the specifics because I don't go on the Honda forum.

Subaru owner asked if I had any pics of Subaru's I converted, didn't think I had but then found pics of your car, uploaded them and pointed him here... Note to self, take more pics!

Trust all is well with the car mate? :wink:

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Yep, all's still running beautifully after several thousand miles since conversion. As is our Honda CRV since we added that rpm feed, incidentally.

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rich r wrote:
Yep, all's still running beautifully after several thousand miles since conversion. As is our Honda CRV since we added that rpm feed, incidentally.
Good, wouldn't expect any problems with the Subaru 8)
I'd forgotten about sorting your CRV (which was converted elsewhere), pleased to read that's running properly too. In case anyone's wondering, main problem would have been the blocked cat you sorted but LPG setup also needed some fettling. Better with the remap and without the vacuum reference, but without the vac reference and without rpm wire connected LPG ECU interpreted over-run as engine stalling, switched off solenoids and reverted to petrol... Connecting rpm wire, ECU can see engine hasn't stalled. I don't remember if we thought the previous LPG settings may have largely caused the cat failure?

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